JOHN: I really see You as sovereign and I repent in dust and ashes. You know, he goes to his friends, they give him really stupid advice and bad counsel and bad theology, and he doesn’t know where to turn. I can live joyfully, you know, in a – in a world, whatever the issues are in that world, knowing that a good God for His own glory is managing every single thing that’s going on. PHIL: Yeah, you could say that Joseph lived this conversation, as well. The will to create was entirely God’s. And one of them said to me, “We had people in this group who were suffering from panic attacks, heart – racing heart palpitation, I mean, it was literally terrifying these people to think that Satan was in charge.”. We can see that the reason God has not stopped human suffering and anguish on the earth is not because He lacks control over what human beings do. PHIL: Hi, I’m Phil Johnson and I’m here in the studio today with John MacArthur and we’re going to talk about the sovereignty of God. God did that, He overruled me in order to save me. God exercises His absolute sovereignty in ways consistent with all His attributes. Fatalism just looks at the universe as random acts, going whatever way they go by chance. PHIL: Well, let’s start at the very beginning and I’ll just ask you; what does the word “sovereignty” mean? JOHN: Yeah, Open theism that God – God doesn’t know the future, that He doesn’t know the end from the beginning, didn’t plan the end from the beginning. I see it as more the control of all the things that are going on. JOHN: Yeah, it kind of reminds you of the story of Joseph, doesn’t it? Category: Articles. But look, if the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, if – if God planned the death of Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world, before anything was ever made that was made, then He must have planned for sinners to be redeemed, which meant that He must have put into the plan the allowance for sinners to fall. PHIL: And their – the titles, you put them – in fact, I have them next to each other on my shelf and it sounds like they’re taking opposite positions. The Question and Answer section for The Sovereignty and Goodness of God is a great resource to ask questions, find answers, and discuss the novel. And so that verse starts out “I am God,” and nobody else, or no other being is God, which means I don’t have any competition. 28:4). You know, if – if God ordains when I’m going to die, why should I wear a seatbelt? owner and possessor of heaven and earth." And then forever and ever throughout all the eons of eternity, He will be glorified and honored and praised for the full display of His glory. Biology says this should not have happened. Evil does not cause God to have to alter His purpose. You can deal with anything in life if you have that sense of what Scripture reveals, that God is in charge. He says, “I was a blasphemer, I was a murderer, but He put me in the ministry.”, PHIL: Now, those who think superficially about these things always ask the question then, “How is it fair for God to do for one what He doesn’t do for another?”. You know, we can’t – you know, it’s a mature thing, I think, for people to get to the point where they realize that. What would that look like? As the glimmers of dawn break forth, Jackson calls out to God, asking for His will be done. Mysteries are forced upon us by the facts of God’s Word; we are not inventing them ourselves. Dr. Sproul considers these questions in this message as he teaches us about the relationship between human freedom and "God's Sovereignty." Such a view, some insist, deprives mankind of its essential freedom. He is never arbitrary in what He does or decrees. Under the sovereignty of God’s authority, no man or thing is exempt from the exertion of His authority, nor can they alter the principles by which His authority is exerted. But what to me is more miraculous than miracles is providence, how God takes all these contingencies in the millions and billions and trillions of actions of people and events and weaves that all together perfectly in His plan. Nowhere in the Bible are we encouraged to be passive and inert. Absolutely. Rather, God’s sovereignty means that in the end, sin doesn’t have the last word. The best one, though, really, was when the fellow who was to present me didn’t appear and I introduced myself. He cannot figure out a reason. PHIL: That’s really the central lesson of the book of Job, isn’t it? PHIL: God had a plan that was good, and He used it for good. There is a scene in the Civil War motion picture Gods and Generals that is telling. And I mean, if they – it’s a Johnny-come-lately notion concocted by some guys because they didn’t want God to be responsible for the way things were in the world. PHIL: Let me give you some Scripture references that teach the sovereignty of God or deal with the issue and let you comment individually on these. But we can walk in peace because we know that God is sovereign. Fourth, in the question of both the origin and continued existence of evil, the sovereignty of God meets its most acute problem. You sin under the freedom of your will or for, if you want to call it, under the bondage of your will to sin. We make our plans and the Lord directs our steps. And I think that’s – I think that’s borrowed, the language is borrowed from the Westminster Catechism, but that was the first I had heard it and – and it just blew me away. There is no difference between what God knows, what God allows and what God determines. Almost immediately, things do not go well for the … Look, sinners are responsible. This is that familiar passage where James writes and sort of rebukes people for saying, “Today or tomorrow, I’m going to go such-and-such a place and so such-a-such a thing.” And he says in James 4:15, “You ought to say, ‘If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or do that.’” Isn’t James expressly affirming the sovereignty of God? JOHN: Well sure. He says, “You can’t even say you’re going to live outside the purpose of God.” Right? The definition of free will that creates controversies with those like me who believe in the sovereignty of God over the human will — not just a general statement about the sovereignty of God, but God’s sovereignty over the human will — that definition is this: man’s will is free if he has the power of ultimate self-determination. Apart from the fact that God commands us to evange-lize—“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations” (Matt. But let me – let me sort of segue to that by asking is there anything God is not sovereign over? There are things that happen randomly.” Here’s a text that seems to say otherwise. JOHN: I don’t know that it could be any more clear. We’ve talked about the doctrine of election, and most recently the problem of apostasy. If one attribute were disproportionate or over-emphasized, chaos would result on a universal level. The doctrine of divine providence asserts that God is in complete control of all things. Watch Kay Arthur explain this complex question about how God in his sovereignty brings prosperity as well as disaster. Proverbs 16:9 says the very same truth really applies to all of us. 3) When my kids got older, they would sometimes question me persistently about a decision that I have made. Here’s the answer I got. Within the sovereignty of God or outside the sovereignty of God, the answer to that would be within the purposes of God, those men were where they were. JOHN: There’s no way around that. I might be disobedient and not do it. JOHN: Because there is a hell, and, in fact, most people aren’t going to be saved. 9:20). JOHN: Well, they are the obvious dangers. But at the same time, Phil, and I think this is so important, this is where you – you find some solid footing in a very difficult quicksand when you realize that you go back to human responsibility. I’m going to go here, I’m going to do that. PHIL: In fact, if I – if I understand the chronology you give in the Study Bible, Nero was the person – he was the Caesar in charge when Paul wrote Romans 13 and Paul didn’t exclude him and say, “Since he’s such a bad guy, it’s okay to show him disrespect.”. God has raised up civil governments to be systems of equity and good and peace, for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of them who do well (Rom. In other words, Baptists are OK with any doctrine that affirms both God’s sovereignty and man’s free will. He’s sovereign over absolutely everything. Doesn’t it seem cruel of God to allow evil and then punish the evil doer? The mission, passion and purpose of Ligonier Ministries is to proclaim the holiness of God That’s pretty well laid out as part of New Testament ministry, New Testament life. He – He never calls down judgment on the system, never. And these are the dangers that turn into the criticisms by the Arminian people. JOHN: Yeah, and I think that’s the right view of the Old Testament. JOHN: Yeah, they’re saying the same thing. Absolute sovereignty is what I love to ascribe to God. If God is sovereign in all matters of providence, what is the point of exerting human effort in evangelism and missions? 28:19)—such reasoning ignores the fact that God fulfills His sovereign plan through human means and instrumentality. The Ligonier Ministries site requires Javascript, but you’ve got Javascript disabled. He’s prosperous, everything is going great, all of a sudden, his children are killed, he loses everything, including his own health, all he’s got left is his wife and she’s no help. The amazing reality when you think about the sovereignty of God is how God takes all of those acts of freedom and those infinite contingencies and controls them all to the ultimate end which He has predetermined. The question is whether we believe it or not because it is definitely in the Bible and a lot of people know it and it frightens them when they read it. Dr. Sproul considers these questions in this message as he teaches us about the relationship between human freedom and "God's Sovereignty." PHIL: That’s a good note on which to end this conversation. PHIL: Now we might still say that’s a horrible thing. “The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord” (Prov. Register. Both are true. Does God have the ability to save everyone? That is a central assertion of Christian belief and especially in Reformed theology. These are the questions that find their answer in Scripture. What was that saying? JOHN: He is sovereign, and it is His plan that He would be glorified in judgment as He would be glorified in salvation. We are culpable in transgression and praiseworthy in obedience. Sometimes I say it’s a book about the sovereignty of God, which leads to a question from Massiel in the Dominican Republic. And then there was something: matter, space, time, energy. Characteristics such as truthfulness, goodness, faithfulness, righteousness, and love define God’s every action. And that, I think, is the heart of God. PHIL: So in a sense, when we confess Jesus as Lord, we’re confessing that He is sovereign. I realized this demonstrates a lack of trust in His wisdom and sovereignty. You know, I don’t need to live a certain kind of holy life. We chose those conversations based on questions we hear from listeners and questions that, frankly, we grapple with sometimes ourselves. He takes all that happens and fits it into the plan and the plan is already determined. But we’re talking about something different here. Soli Deo gloria. 3. The relationship between God’s sovereignty and human responsibility is not instantly obvious, and at first glance it seems paradoxical. If He could even do what He said. Or in the words of James, “God tempts no man.” No evil is – is directly caused by God. So whatever happens is what He purposed to happen, right? In this collection from the 2007 fall conference series, R.C. We hear about hyper-Calvinism and some Christians do confuse the sovereignty of God with a kind of fatalistic point of view. PHIL: Yeah, the standard theological or precision term that we use is, “God is not the author of evil, He’s not the agent of it. – Dr. Norman Geisler 1 "The word means principal, chief, supreme. God is King and Lord of all. With out it, we would have no being, no salvation, and no hope. Sproul, along with Richard Phillips and Steven Lawson, unfolds the riches of God's rule over creation. It’s a subject that raises lots of questions and we want to ask you some of those questions today and get your help in finding biblical answers. If God ordains who is going to be in control in the government, why should I vote? Guest. But at its heart, it is saying nothing different from the assertion of the Nicene Creed: “I believe in God, the Father Almighty.” To say that God is sovereign is to express His almightiness in every area. They had the responsibility to proclaim the gospel as the first wave of gospel preachers after the Lord Himself. God's sovereignty is a stumbling block for atheists and unbelievers who demand that if God is in total control, that he eliminate all evil and suffering from the world. JOHN: Yeah, Luther said that. The sinner is responsible to act and to come. Look, Luther – speaking of Luther – wrote about the freedom of the will. There’s no superintending power, there’s no overriding plan, there’s no person who is purposefully doing all of these things or allowing these things, fitting them together for a pre-determined plan. JOHN: Go back and look at the story of Joseph and the wrath of men and selling Joseph off like a slave and how they could never, ever, ever have imagined or predicted how God would use that event. from Derek Thomas Well, let’s do talk then about the sovereignty of God in salvation. 11:36). Proverbs 16:33, and you can explain this one for us. Take Job, for example. People can take one of two extremes in regard to this question. I have a difficult time comprehending that. If He does, then why didn't He? PHIL: Well, I’ve got to say from my own testimony, it’s hard to appreciate how mind blowing this concept is to someone who’s never really thought of it. How that harmonizes with the sovereignty of God in saving some is – is beyond my comprehension. (3:1). Who were the audience of the captivity narrative? JOHN: No, and that’s right. No evil is indirectly caused by God. Fatalism would be the assumption that things are going to be whatever they’re going to be, just because they’re going to be that way. But they did. As King of all creation, God exercises His sovereignty throughout the world. JOHN: Why wouldn’t it apply? The first 14 verses of Deuteronomy 28 list the blessings of God and the last 53 verses list the curses of God. What it is actually saying, it seems, is that God ordained the means by which people will be saved. . Is God still in charge of who’s our President and –. That’s illegitimate because, you know, we’re wasting our time. How do we set our minds and hearts at peace? Log In I’m at the hospital in the children’s ward with mask on, and gloves cause I can’t go in without it and we’re talking about that with two parents of a 3 year old. It was actually Edwards that wrote The Freedom of the Will. We got in the studio that afternoon right after those attacks and spent some time. God has raised up civil governments to be systems of equity and good and peace, for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of them who do well (Rom. The – the assumption is the fatalism takes over and what is going to be is going to be and you forget that within the purpose of God to accomplish His saving end, there are freedoms, right? Typical teaching on the sovereignty of God puts Jesus in the driver’s seat with us as passengers. Further, he is in complete control over everything that happens here on Earth. JOHN: It is, it is. 29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the Language of God changing His mind in Scripture is an accommodation to us and our way of speaking, not a description of a true change in God’s mind. 13:3; 1 Peter 2:14). PHIL: Yeah. And while we might not like what’s going on and if we give the – if given the opportunity, you know, we use legal means to vote and do whatever we can. The sovereignty of God is one of those theological ideas that causes some significant challenges in the lives of believers. Open theists or free-will theists, for example, insist that the future (at least in its specific details) is in some fashion “open.” Even God does not know all that is to come. You ought to say, “If God wills, I’m going to do this and that.” And I think, you know, what that does is take the sovereignty of God down to the individual activities of every single person. 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